1 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:09,370 these are you and they in your church 2 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:13,790 America that can you recall driving 3 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:17,460 through the USA America's the greatest 4 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:20,880 land of all on a highway or a world 5 00:00:27,589 --> 00:00:24,150 along a levee for pharmacist leader 6 00:01:18,470 --> 00:00:27,599 nothing can beat her life is complete or 7 00:01:23,070 --> 00:01:20,970 happy days are here again higher side 8 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:23,080 shatters NIT would be damn harsh top my 9 00:01:26,820 --> 00:01:24,670 excitement for today's partner and 10 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:26,830 dialogue ecologist and paranormal 11 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:29,170 researcher Nick Redfern has written 15 12 00:01:34,109 --> 00:01:31,510 plus books on alternative subjects with 13 00:01:35,969 --> 00:01:34,119 titles like the NASA conspiracies keep 14 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:35,979 out top secret places governments don't 15 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:37,510 want you to know about and his most 16 00:01:41,130 --> 00:01:39,340 recent masterpiece in the best book I 17 00:01:42,930 --> 00:01:41,140 read all week the pyramids and the 18 00:01:45,330 --> 00:01:42,940 Pentagon the government's top secret 19 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:45,340 pursuit of mystic relic ancient 20 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:47,710 astronauts and lost civilizations ladies 21 00:01:51,210 --> 00:01:49,360 and gentlemen the jury I present to you 22 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:51,220 exhibit a Nick Redfern Nick how the hell 23 00:01:55,169 --> 00:01:53,530 are you hey Greg I'm doing good things 24 00:01:59,190 --> 00:01:55,179 first time I've ever been called eggs 25 00:02:01,529 --> 00:01:59,200 every day I'm weird like that 26 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:01,539 that's alright hey you know I'm really 27 00:02:05,340 --> 00:02:02,950 psyched you're here one of my favorite 28 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:05,350 things about your work is that you don't 29 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:07,090 really speculate you educate because 30 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:09,490 honestly not to name names but I've had 31 00:02:13,590 --> 00:02:11,710 a few guests recently that just they 32 00:02:15,620 --> 00:02:13,600 just know we're not the only intelligent 33 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:15,630 race in the plant or they have a feeling 34 00:02:20,370 --> 00:02:18,190 Atlantis was the real place but you 35 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:20,380 actually dig up documents research cases 36 00:02:25,740 --> 00:02:22,030 and you don't sacrifice your credibility 37 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:25,750 just to sex it up you know well well I 38 00:02:29,309 --> 00:02:27,310 appreciate you saying that I mean I've 39 00:02:31,050 --> 00:02:29,319 always I mean my background is in 40 00:02:32,430 --> 00:02:31,060 journalism he's sort of regular 41 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:32,440 journalism and I've always sort of been 42 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:34,930 in a case that just because I'm writing 43 00:02:39,330 --> 00:02:37,270 about Bigfoot or UFOs or Roswell or 44 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:39,340 whatever you know it doesn't mean your 45 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:40,959 brain has to go out the window you know 46 00:02:45,449 --> 00:02:42,700 you should still apply the same 47 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:45,459 journalistic techniques and when you can 48 00:02:49,559 --> 00:02:47,260 other facts when you can uncover facts 49 00:02:51,660 --> 00:02:49,569 tell people it's facts when you've got 50 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:51,670 something that's an intriguing bit of 51 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:54,400 data which is suggestive something will 52 00:02:58,920 --> 00:02:56,560 tell them it's just suggestive you know 53 00:03:01,500 --> 00:02:58,930 but don't go in there with this belief 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:01,510 system but this is what it is you know 55 00:03:06,150 --> 00:03:04,330 and it's casting stone if you 56 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:06,160 unable to prove that it is casting stone 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:08,590 you know yeah I mean it's great because 58 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:09,730 there's a lot of times I think people 59 00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:11,590 get maybe too close to the work and 60 00:03:15,060 --> 00:03:13,480 they're like maybe a placebo effect 61 00:03:16,410 --> 00:03:15,070 takes hold and they're like well I did 62 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:16,420 see a spirit and it's like well how 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:18,790 funny is it that rarely if people see 64 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:20,410 them but the guy who researches them is 65 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:22,870 now seeing them so I mean you know it is 66 00:03:25,620 --> 00:03:23,470 what it is 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:25,630 yeah well let's do the normal thing and 68 00:03:30,330 --> 00:03:27,730 dig into your newest book the pyramids 69 00:03:32,970 --> 00:03:30,340 the Pentagon Oh would you mind kind of 70 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:32,980 summarizing it up for the people yes 71 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:35,110 yeah well basically you know I mean I'm 72 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:36,460 sure everybody's heard of the whole 73 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:39,730 ancient astronaut scenario erich von 74 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:43,240 daniken zecharia sitchin and shows on TV 75 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:46,480 now like ancient aliens the idea that in 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:49,200 the distant past we were visited by 77 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:50,890 extraterrestrials and that they were 78 00:03:56,610 --> 00:03:53,340 responsible for a lot of our mythologies 79 00:03:58,350 --> 00:03:56,620 folklore beliefs etc you know of higher 80 00:04:00,630 --> 00:03:58,360 entities coming down from the sky in 81 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:00,640 fiery chariots that sort of thing yeah 82 00:04:04,830 --> 00:04:03,130 and because of you know dozens and 83 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:04,840 dozens of books have been written on the 84 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:07,030 subject and you know you could make a 85 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:08,920 good case of saying well what else could 86 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:11,290 could be written about it all but there 87 00:04:14,820 --> 00:04:12,940 was one of the things that I got little 88 00:04:17,159 --> 00:04:14,830 snippets of information of from time to 89 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:17,169 time which I never really did much weird 90 00:04:20,580 --> 00:04:19,150 until I realized that if you do do 91 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:20,590 something with it there's a big story 92 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:23,230 here and that was what government 93 00:04:27,630 --> 00:04:25,290 agencies know about the whole ancient 94 00:04:29,550 --> 00:04:27,640 astronauts angle you know there is a lot 95 00:04:31,260 --> 00:04:29,560 of theorizing and books telling the 96 00:04:33,510 --> 00:04:31,270 story in general of what people believe 97 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:33,520 happened you know thousands of years ago 98 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:35,530 but not from what the perspective what 99 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:37,600 the Pentagon knew or believed or 100 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:40,270 concluded about it also what I did was 101 00:04:44,850 --> 00:04:42,070 to start digging into this more and more 102 00:04:47,460 --> 00:04:44,860 uncovering more data and ultimately just 103 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:47,470 basically demonstrated that since at 104 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:51,100 least the late 40s u.s. British and 105 00:04:58,110 --> 00:04:54,430 other countries in some cases have sort 106 00:05:00,540 --> 00:04:58,120 of dug very deeply into you know ancient 107 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:00,550 history with a view to address in this 108 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:02,590 whole angle of you know where we visited 109 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:05,470 by somebody else at some point it's that 110 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:07,600 angle the fact that it's the research 111 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:08,860 that the government's have done that 112 00:05:12,690 --> 00:05:10,690 lets you explore so many different areas 113 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:12,700 within the book because they got their 114 00:05:16,590 --> 00:05:14,110 hands and everything really like they 115 00:05:18,250 --> 00:05:16,600 don't really struggling all the way they 116 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:18,260 make it seem to the public 117 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:20,810 that they do well I think you know 118 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:22,400 governments are good at that I mean that 119 00:05:27,130 --> 00:05:24,890 first I've got a huge budget so you know 120 00:05:28,750 --> 00:05:27,140 giving three million to this think-tank 121 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:28,760 and five million to that one or whatever 122 00:05:33,490 --> 00:05:31,430 you know pretty much any shoes that all 123 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:33,500 bases are going to be covered and you 124 00:05:37,330 --> 00:05:35,360 know one of the you quite right they 125 00:05:38,890 --> 00:05:37,340 didn't sort of really avoid anything you 126 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:38,900 know that if it was a mystery of the 127 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:42,110 past and they felt there was some going 128 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:44,480 to be obtained from looking into it you 129 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:46,190 know whether it was the Dead Sea Scrolls 130 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:53,680 Atlantis the Ark of the Covenant you 131 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:56,000 know that they covered all bases of you 132 00:05:59,770 --> 00:05:58,010 know serve ancient relics and mysteries 133 00:06:01,090 --> 00:05:59,780 it all seems a little less silly when 134 00:06:03,790 --> 00:06:01,100 you see all the documentation they 135 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:03,800 looked into it but um the the book is 136 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:05,570 full of phenomenal stories but one of my 137 00:06:10,630 --> 00:06:07,370 favorites I'd say and it was also pretty 138 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:10,640 new to me was the Harry Cooper Roswell 139 00:06:15,010 --> 00:06:12,890 account would you mind telling us about 140 00:06:17,950 --> 00:06:15,020 the details there and do you believe his 141 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:17,960 story yeah sure I can I can answer all 142 00:06:25,150 --> 00:06:21,440 those questions for basically the the 143 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:25,160 story that we can verify is that in 1947 144 00:06:30,730 --> 00:06:27,890 which was the Roswell the the flying 145 00:06:32,950 --> 00:06:30,740 saucer was born the year the CIA was 146 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:32,960 created it was also the year which the 147 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:35,360 Dead Sea scrolls were found it raised a 148 00:06:39,730 --> 00:06:37,340 year and they go to sea yeah crazy here 149 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:39,740 we did also the Aleister Crowley died 150 00:06:46,930 --> 00:06:42,290 there's a lot of strange stuff going on 151 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:46,940 in 47 and when the Dead Sea scrolls were 152 00:06:53,530 --> 00:06:49,970 found as I said this coincided with the 153 00:06:56,410 --> 00:06:53,540 CIA being set up and the CIA actually 154 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:56,420 set up an office in Damascus in the 155 00:07:02,710 --> 00:06:59,210 Middle East in the American Embassy in 156 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:02,720 the city of Damascus and on one 157 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:06,170 particular day this guy came into the 158 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:07,670 offices and sort of a middle-eastern 159 00:07:13,330 --> 00:07:10,610 character in these long flowing Bedouin 160 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:13,340 type robes and acting very mysteriously 161 00:07:17,050 --> 00:07:15,710 and said that he'd got something he 162 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:17,060 wanted to show to someone in a position 163 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:21,110 of authority so the embassy called 164 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:23,450 this one particular guy Dam miles 165 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:25,460 Copeland who was a senior operative in 166 00:07:30,670 --> 00:07:28,370 the CIA at the time and he was also as a 167 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:30,680 stranger on the side he was a father of 168 00:07:34,010 --> 00:07:32,160 and Stewart coke 169 00:07:36,140 --> 00:07:34,020 the drummer at the police it's got 170 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:36,150 nothing to do with the story but but he 171 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:38,850 was anyway and so they called Copeland 172 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,510 down and basically this guy pulled out 173 00:07:47,690 --> 00:07:44,400 this role of look like an ancient 174 00:07:50,450 --> 00:07:47,700 parchment very much like the Dead Sea 175 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:50,460 Scrolls that we know today and this guy 176 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:51,930 this mysterious character wanted 177 00:07:57,590 --> 00:07:54,300 somebody to look at it and try and 178 00:08:02,240 --> 00:07:57,600 decipher or you know code break it if 179 00:08:03,770 --> 00:08:02,250 you like and so being the CIA Copeland 180 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:03,780 said well you know I've got somebody or 181 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:05,970 people I can you know passed his answer 182 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:07,980 and they can have a look at it and so he 183 00:08:11,630 --> 00:08:09,900 was this guy was happy with this and he 184 00:08:13,370 --> 00:08:11,640 left and promised to come back later but 185 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:13,380 he never did he just sort of he's almost 186 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:15,750 like he actually he was a ruse just to 187 00:08:20,030 --> 00:08:17,250 get it off his hands and give it to the 188 00:08:24,260 --> 00:08:20,040 CIA which is kind of odd because you 189 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:24,270 know this particular scroll was sent to 190 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:27,090 the CIA Colvin photographed it and he 191 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:28,890 just literally vanished into the you 192 00:08:34,190 --> 00:08:30,840 know the archives or the the decks of 193 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:34,200 the CIA never resurfaced now you know 194 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:35,640 the other Dead Sea Scrolls are all on 195 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:37,410 public display so it's almost like 196 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:39,570 there's something unique about this one 197 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:42,660 that when the CIA deciphered it they 198 00:08:46,630 --> 00:08:44,010 didn't want to give it up for some weird 199 00:08:48,620 --> 00:08:46,640 reason which sort of you know opens 200 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:48,630 possibilities as whether or you know did 201 00:08:54,170 --> 00:08:50,730 it contain something really weird in 202 00:08:57,890 --> 00:08:54,180 significance but regardless of that the 203 00:09:00,650 --> 00:08:57,900 story gets even stranger in the 1980s 204 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:00,660 and 1990s a number of UFO researchers 205 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:03,690 one day William Steinman in the 80s he 206 00:09:08,410 --> 00:09:06,000 was looking into a crashed UFO case in 207 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:08,420 northern New Mexico in the forties and 208 00:09:13,940 --> 00:09:10,920 Timothy Cooper who was looking into the 209 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:13,950 Roswell case but you know 50 years later 210 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:16,650 the 1990s when he got into it 211 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:19,290 Tim Cooper's dad served in the US 212 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:23,250 military and told Timothy Coker about 213 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:25,590 how he was he supposedly printed off 214 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:28,410 this lengthy report for the military on 215 00:09:33,860 --> 00:09:31,350 a crashed UFO incident in New Mexico in 216 00:09:36,530 --> 00:09:33,870 the summer of 47 it wasn't Roswell but 217 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:36,540 it was reportedly another one in the 218 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:40,740 state of Utah and according to Cooper's 219 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:42,570 father who I was actually was able to 220 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:44,490 get his military files and verify that 221 00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:45,990 he was at the base he claims 222 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:49,380 when he said he printed this document he 223 00:09:53,990 --> 00:09:51,330 said that when the military got into the 224 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:54,000 remains of this sort of wrecked UFO they 225 00:09:59,180 --> 00:09:56,940 found an ancient parchment that's sort 226 00:10:01,300 --> 00:09:59,190 of that respectively the time they 227 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:01,310 didn't realize but that respectively 228 00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:03,779 sounded like or look like you know one 229 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:05,580 of the Dead Sea Scrolls and it was 230 00:10:11,420 --> 00:10:08,160 written in some sort of look like you 231 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:11,430 know a very ancient language and so in 232 00:10:15,710 --> 00:10:13,380 handy was yeah it was reportedly taken 233 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:15,720 to codebreakers and the National 234 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:17,610 Security Agency and that was set up in 235 00:10:23,449 --> 00:10:20,130 52 and everybody had a hard time trying 236 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:23,459 to decipher it and and that's that's a 237 00:10:28,430 --> 00:10:25,740 weird story you know the idea of a 238 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:28,440 crashed UFO come again is sensational 239 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:30,810 enough but then being founded like a 240 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:33,330 Dead Sea scroll inside it is even more 241 00:10:37,699 --> 00:10:35,490 sensational now you know when you ask me 242 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:37,709 do I believe the story there's 243 00:10:43,220 --> 00:10:40,680 absolutely no doubt that the the first 244 00:10:44,329 --> 00:10:43,230 part of the story has been verified and 245 00:10:47,449 --> 00:10:44,339 back to by other 246 00:10:50,060 --> 00:10:47,459 CAS CIA people be I'd hear that that 247 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:50,070 miles Copeland was a recipient of this 248 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:53,610 particular scroll and that the CIA did 249 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:55,920 acquire it and that it vanished within 250 00:11:01,160 --> 00:10:58,170 the CIA and has never resurfaced since 251 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:01,170 so we do know that an intelligence 252 00:11:05,389 --> 00:11:03,750 agency in the u.s. namely the CIA has 253 00:11:08,690 --> 00:11:05,399 had a deep interest in the Dead Sea 254 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:08,700 Scrolls now the next part of the story 255 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:10,440 you know about the military having an 256 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:13,260 interest in another type of scroll but 257 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:17,940 found in a saucer I take it one of two 258 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:19,890 ways I well that's it it's three ways 259 00:11:24,590 --> 00:11:22,050 you can either interpret the story 260 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:24,600 literally you know the UFO came down of 261 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:27,630 a scroll was found you can take it the 262 00:11:32,630 --> 00:11:29,700 idea that you know a UFO did come down 263 00:11:34,850 --> 00:11:32,640 but the scroll story was added by I 264 00:11:36,829 --> 00:11:34,860 guess people in government to try and 265 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:36,839 discredit the research as you know 266 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:39,360 rather than to actually create add 267 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:41,040 credibility to the story just make it 268 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:43,140 over the tuft where people would walk 269 00:11:47,780 --> 00:11:45,540 away from agencies are good at doing 270 00:11:51,079 --> 00:11:47,790 that or the third possibility of course 271 00:11:54,290 --> 00:11:51,089 is that it's complete nonsense now my 272 00:11:56,510 --> 00:11:54,300 view and my experience is that when you 273 00:11:57,980 --> 00:11:56,520 start to get to the close of some you 274 00:11:59,780 --> 00:11:57,990 get close to some sort of mystery 275 00:12:01,970 --> 00:11:59,790 whether the government angle 276 00:12:05,210 --> 00:12:01,980 you often do find people coming forward 277 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:05,220 who try and push on to you sensational 278 00:12:10,610 --> 00:12:07,590 stories and I think sometimes that is 279 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:10,620 done to try and discredit the more 280 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:14,970 credible angle but in this case I'm not 281 00:12:19,730 --> 00:12:17,400 entirely sure that's all there is to it 282 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:19,740 I would say that was all there is to it 283 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:21,690 if it wasn't for the fact that we can 284 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:24,210 prove that the CIA really did have an 285 00:12:28,670 --> 00:12:26,400 interest in the Dead Sea Scrolls yeah I 286 00:12:31,490 --> 00:12:28,680 mean that that's the weird thing it's 287 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:31,500 not like the entire story can be 288 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:34,110 disproved right one part of it can be 289 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:35,940 proved and of course this begs a bigger 290 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:39,980 question why on earth would the CIA be 291 00:12:45,050 --> 00:12:42,570 analyzing and even hide in afterwards - 292 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:45,060 Dead Sea Scrolls independent they just 293 00:12:48,950 --> 00:12:46,770 yeah why didn't they just hand it over 294 00:12:50,810 --> 00:12:48,960 to the bigger collection which is now on 295 00:12:53,630 --> 00:12:50,820 public display for anybody and everybody 296 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:53,640 to see yeah yeah it's that sort of makes 297 00:12:58,670 --> 00:12:55,890 you wonder if there really was something 298 00:13:00,680 --> 00:12:58,680 to this story yeah that's a crazy thing 299 00:13:02,630 --> 00:13:00,690 to be inside a UFO I thought that was 300 00:13:04,670 --> 00:13:02,640 the Rozell one but as far as Roswell 301 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:04,680 goes I've always loved that story is one 302 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:06,420 of the Batna Loch Ness monsters kind of 303 00:13:11,060 --> 00:13:08,040 what got me and when I was really young 304 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:11,070 and uh I mean there's so many Roswell 305 00:13:16,460 --> 00:13:13,560 theories like there's you know that they 306 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:16,470 were genetic mutations and they were 307 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:20,040 know all kinds of different rehab in 308 00:13:24,890 --> 00:13:23,160 held responsible from one angle for the 309 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:24,900 Roswell crash like as some of their 310 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:26,700 secret technology but if you had to put 311 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:28,350 your money on the story as you see it 312 00:13:32,930 --> 00:13:30,690 being most accurate how does the Roswell 313 00:13:35,420 --> 00:13:32,940 story go we did they find by did they 314 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:35,430 not yeah I think they found something 315 00:13:39,620 --> 00:13:38,250 and they found bodies and I think you 316 00:13:42,830 --> 00:13:39,630 know there's no way was a weather 317 00:13:45,260 --> 00:13:42,840 balloon and the ridiculous 318 00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:45,270 yeah and the idea also that it was this 319 00:13:49,580 --> 00:13:47,940 mogul balloon that you know the gum that 320 00:13:51,710 --> 00:13:49,590 there's nobody disputes the government 321 00:13:53,780 --> 00:13:51,720 was flying these big mold mogul balloons 322 00:13:56,030 --> 00:13:53,790 at the time but the idea was that in 323 00:14:00,050 --> 00:13:56,040 crash test dummies that doesn't hold 324 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:00,060 water so I think it can only go in one 325 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:03,090 or two directions one is a literal UFO 326 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:06,780 with alien bodies or some sort of dark 327 00:14:11,810 --> 00:14:09,450 and dubious military experiments with 328 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:11,820 human guinea pigs on board that went 329 00:14:14,989 --> 00:14:13,529 wrong and that was so 330 00:14:16,579 --> 00:14:14,999 controversial you know one of the 331 00:14:18,829 --> 00:14:16,589 theories is you know could they use like 332 00:14:20,689 --> 00:14:18,839 Japanese prisoners of war yeah I mean 333 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:20,699 this is wonder I addressed him in one of 334 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:24,240 my books either it was a genuine UFO or 335 00:14:28,819 --> 00:14:26,540 it was a like a dark and dubious 336 00:14:32,059 --> 00:14:28,829 experiment that would create such a 337 00:14:33,319 --> 00:14:32,069 scandal that it had to be hidden so but 338 00:14:36,019 --> 00:14:33,329 then again when you listen to the 339 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:36,029 descriptions of the bodies you know they 340 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:38,160 don't sound by regular people you know 341 00:14:41,059 --> 00:14:39,540 if you read but if then again if you 342 00:14:43,009 --> 00:14:41,069 read them they're not glad the classic 343 00:14:45,379 --> 00:14:43,019 greys you know these little spindly gray 344 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:45,389 guys with a big black eyes most of the 345 00:14:49,999 --> 00:14:46,800 books talked about and being more 346 00:14:53,449 --> 00:14:50,009 human-like and about five feet tall so 347 00:14:56,869 --> 00:14:53,459 my view is that it was either a UFO or 348 00:14:58,759 --> 00:14:56,879 some bizarre military human 349 00:15:01,429 --> 00:14:58,769 experimentation and I don't think 350 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:01,439 there's any ground for anything else 351 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:03,329 other than you know weather balloons 352 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:05,040 mogul balloons crash test dummies you 353 00:15:11,059 --> 00:15:08,550 know it's just ridiculous yeah but the 354 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:11,069 big problem is you know it's I've sort 355 00:15:14,569 --> 00:15:12,720 of made this analogy before it's kind of 356 00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:14,579 like Jack the Ripper or who killed 357 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:16,949 Kennedy you know that these mysteries 358 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:19,470 are so getting so old now everybody's 359 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:22,410 dying off the government's a nothing and 360 00:15:26,119 --> 00:15:24,569 it's like how do we take it to the next 361 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:26,129 step you know what I mean it's can we 362 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:29,220 even resolve it and when everybody's 363 00:15:32,449 --> 00:15:30,930 dead and the government said well we'd 364 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:32,459 look for the files sorry there's nothing 365 00:15:38,689 --> 00:15:36,089 go away you know short of well I say 366 00:15:39,319 --> 00:15:38,699 short I just don't know how you know ten 367 00:15:42,019 --> 00:15:39,329 years from now 368 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:42,029 Roswell hasn't been solved to the point 369 00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:43,920 where we can prove what happened we 370 00:15:46,819 --> 00:15:45,480 might never know I just don't know 371 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:46,829 no we may never know because I just 372 00:15:51,079 --> 00:15:49,110 don't know how we can go to that next 373 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:51,089 steps yeah well hey let me ask you 374 00:15:56,119 --> 00:15:53,910 something a little more modern that 375 00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:56,129 being the u.s. involvement in the Middle 376 00:16:00,290 --> 00:15:58,079 East it seems a little national treasure 377 00:16:02,210 --> 00:16:00,300 but this is my favorite part of the book 378 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:02,220 you see any reason to think that we may 379 00:16:05,809 --> 00:16:03,929 be there for something a little more 380 00:16:08,179 --> 00:16:05,819 serious than oil I mean and of course 381 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:08,189 not to fight terrorism well yeah I mean 382 00:16:11,299 --> 00:16:09,420 that this is one of the interesting 383 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:11,309 things the idea that you know at least 384 00:16:17,419 --> 00:16:13,980 part of the reason for the presence in 385 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:17,429 like Iraq for example you know the bindi 386 00:16:24,169 --> 00:16:20,970 store is about you know sort of ancient 387 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:24,179 priceless artifacts and sort of I guess 388 00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:26,730 like science and technology developed 389 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:27,360 thousands of 390 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:29,040 years ago by the ancients that might 391 00:16:32,449 --> 00:16:30,959 still be sort of hidden somewhere in 392 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:32,459 Iraq I mean there's several of these 393 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:35,610 stories I mean I talk in the book about 394 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,130 the story of Jim Marrs who've been 395 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,800 researching this so-called white gold as 396 00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:42,480 it's known which you know the 397 00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:45,240 speculation is it's a so-called manna 398 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:47,100 from heaven that you know could extend 399 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:51,510 lifespans and rejuvenate cells and you 400 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:53,610 know I mean today's scientists are 401 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:55,410 trying to crack the code you know to 402 00:16:59,840 --> 00:16:57,660 prevent aging I don't mean you know some 403 00:17:02,829 --> 00:16:59,850 old lady having a place pulled back with 404 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:02,839 Botox or you know I mean literally 405 00:17:09,949 --> 00:17:06,750 slowing down the process of how the body 406 00:17:12,289 --> 00:17:09,959 you know just decays over time you know 407 00:17:14,419 --> 00:17:12,299 it's an unfortunate thing but it does 408 00:17:16,819 --> 00:17:14,429 you know right but it's but you know if 409 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:16,829 you could stop it and this is one of the 410 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:18,510 fears with this sort of white gold the 411 00:17:22,970 --> 00:17:21,329 idea that maybe because he ties in with 412 00:17:25,220 --> 00:17:22,980 Iraq you know could it be that the 413 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:25,230 ancients or either given or develop some 414 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:27,540 technology that would allow that to 415 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:27,959 happen 416 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:30,660 now there's also the fact that you know 417 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:34,250 when the invasion of Baghdad occurred 418 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:36,450 one of the places that was heavily 419 00:17:42,169 --> 00:17:39,450 looted was the Baghdad Museum and then 420 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,179 the room was for a long time of again 421 00:17:47,690 --> 00:17:44,880 technological artifacts going back 422 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:47,700 thousands of years secretly held in the 423 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:50,460 Baghdad Museum and what's interesting is 424 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:52,200 that when there was literally thousands 425 00:17:57,169 --> 00:17:55,320 of items looted from the museum well a 426 00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,179 substantial amount were never recovered 427 00:18:00,770 --> 00:17:59,520 what was interesting is that many of the 428 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:00,780 ones that were never found 429 00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:03,030 or recovered again assured so lesson 430 00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:04,470 taken from the basement of the museum 431 00:18:10,580 --> 00:18:08,790 and when a study was done it was all 432 00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:10,590 that looked like too many people on the 433 00:18:15,230 --> 00:18:13,080 investigation that that area being 434 00:18:17,659 --> 00:18:15,240 deliberately targeted and doors have 435 00:18:19,610 --> 00:18:17,669 been unlocked to allow people to get in 436 00:18:22,610 --> 00:18:19,620 there and specifically target certain 437 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:22,620 areas and you know take certain items 438 00:18:26,930 --> 00:18:24,660 and again this has led to the theory 439 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:26,940 that you know maybe that was one of the 440 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:30,090 reasons that you know it was under cover 441 00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:33,270 of a you know war-torn area that these 442 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:34,919 items were sort of shipped out and 443 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:37,140 because of all the battles going on and 444 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:40,140 bombs going up nobody noticed you know 445 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:41,370 what was going 446 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:42,840 literally but you know beneath their 447 00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,450 eyes so to speak yeah and when you look 448 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:48,000 at the the other angle of the Stargate 449 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:51,750 and the 22 2012 angle the timing of it 450 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:54,690 is interesting because the Zechariah 451 00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:56,850 stitch and story kind of comes in line 452 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,620 with this but the idea that the Anunnaki 453 00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:00,960 will return in 2012 and that the 454 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:03,630 technology that they used you to arrive 455 00:19:10,550 --> 00:19:06,210 fear is actually in the Middle East and 456 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:10,560 the US they're sort of to take control 457 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:13,440 of that where does that story start well 458 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:15,510 yeah this is I mean fragments of these 459 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:17,130 have been sort of circulating for a 460 00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:19,410 while but I mean one of the people who 461 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,300 discussed this in the last few years was 462 00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:23,880 a guy named Michael Saleh UFO researcher 463 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:26,720 and he sort of dug deep into this idea 464 00:19:31,370 --> 00:19:29,130 you know of some sort of Stargate like 465 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,380 in the Stargate movie and TV series 466 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:33,600 where you know instead of you know 467 00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:35,970 traveling like a vast distance from our 468 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:39,120 Sun to another son you know by literally 469 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:41,490 going from point A to point B and you 470 00:19:47,540 --> 00:19:43,170 know turned on your thrusters and go in 471 00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:47,550 but you could sort of I guess you know 472 00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:50,040 condense the journey by warping space 473 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:52,380 and time so in other words you know you 474 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:54,210 don't travel in like a linear fashion 475 00:20:00,170 --> 00:19:56,940 you actually distort it and arrive from 476 00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:00,180 point A to point B in no time at all and 477 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:01,980 that's the idea you know the Stargate 478 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:03,930 scenario and they've been these rumors 479 00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:05,670 about you know as you said some sort of 480 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:08,880 ancient Anunnaki Stargate possibly in 481 00:20:12,290 --> 00:20:10,650 Iraq or somewhere in the Middle East and 482 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,300 you know that there have been a flurry 483 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:14,640 of attempts by military and governmental 484 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:19,050 agencies to locate it and understand the 485 00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,910 technology because again you know you 486 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:22,740 said the theory is that the Anunnaki are 487 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:24,930 coming back and could this be tied in 488 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:26,910 with December 2012 you know that they're 489 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:29,730 going to make a reappearance and you 490 00:20:33,470 --> 00:20:31,470 know you can look at it from several 491 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,480 angles again you know either the stories 492 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:35,520 true could have been disinformation or 493 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:38,190 it could be as I suspect that you know 494 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:39,930 there are people in government who who 495 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:41,670 are just like us they know these stories 496 00:20:47,210 --> 00:20:44,910 and they know the rumors and the legends 497 00:20:49,550 --> 00:20:47,220 and everything else and so they do what 498 00:20:51,530 --> 00:20:49,560 most of us can't do they have the the 499 00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,540 manpower and the funding to actually go 500 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:53,700 out there and see if there's anything to 501 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:54,809 it or not 502 00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:56,700 I think that could be what's happened 503 00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,440 here that they know all these stories 504 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:00,720 and the and if there's an intelligence 505 00:21:03,889 --> 00:21:02,129 capital to be gained 506 00:21:06,889 --> 00:21:03,899 they take the view what we can't afford 507 00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:06,899 not to look into it you know so they go 508 00:21:11,239 --> 00:21:09,779 out there not necessarily you know who 509 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:11,249 knows you know where the truth begins 510 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:14,580 and an end so does mean but by going out 511 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:17,700 there you know they ensure that they're 512 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:19,080 going to do their best to find out if 513 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:20,490 there is anything to it and I think 514 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:22,200 that's an important thing for us to 515 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:24,360 remember is that governments don't 516 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:27,330 always investigate stuff because they'd 517 00:21:31,159 --> 00:21:29,159 it's they're a hundred percent believe 518 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:31,169 it they do it because they don't want to 519 00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:33,240 risk leaving any stone unturned which is 520 00:21:38,539 --> 00:21:35,240 actually two very different scenario 521 00:21:40,249 --> 00:21:38,549 good point I mean and that it seems a 522 00:21:42,919 --> 00:21:40,259 little far-fetched but at the same time 523 00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:42,929 those kind of missions they sort of 524 00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:44,940 mirror the supposed actions of the Nazis 525 00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:47,100 in terms of invading places to seek out 526 00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:49,740 ancient relics and stuff right now you 527 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:51,480 you're quite right I mean you know it's 528 00:21:55,460 --> 00:21:53,460 it's sounds bizarre until you know as 529 00:21:57,019 --> 00:21:55,470 you pointed out earlier that one of the 530 00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,029 things I did in the book was to use the 531 00:22:01,340 --> 00:21:58,559 Freedom of Information Act quite 532 00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:01,350 extensively and you know you find that 533 00:22:07,009 --> 00:22:04,830 the CIA's house files on Noah's Ark you 534 00:22:09,019 --> 00:22:07,019 know that we've got government files now 535 00:22:10,820 --> 00:22:09,029 showing the agencies were interesting 536 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:10,830 people they were talking about the 537 00:22:16,580 --> 00:22:13,740 pyramids built by levitation so you know 538 00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:16,590 when you look back historically it's not 539 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:18,419 so strange that somebody would be paying 540 00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,490 attention to some ancient technologies 541 00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:22,919 in the Middle East today when 50 years 542 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:25,230 ago they were looking at whether or not 543 00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:26,940 you know the pyramids of Egypt were 544 00:22:30,919 --> 00:22:29,009 built by levitation this is actually not 545 00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:30,929 that difference really you know it's 546 00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:33,299 pretty much the same project but ongoing 547 00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,460 you know that's a big theme in the book 548 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:37,679 is that idea of the ancient levitation 549 00:22:41,779 --> 00:22:40,200 or the acoustic technology it's funny 550 00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,789 because another project I have is the 551 00:22:45,859 --> 00:22:43,980 conspiracy themed clothing line called 552 00:22:48,049 --> 00:22:45,869 conspiracies and one of the first shirt 553 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:48,059 designs I made was just that it's a 554 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:50,460 three UFO hovering over the pyramids 555 00:22:54,259 --> 00:22:52,110 with the block sort of floating into 556 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:54,269 place and it goes right in line with 557 00:23:00,200 --> 00:22:57,090 that idea that sounds cool but on in uh 558 00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,210 in terms of the Nazis something I've 559 00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:02,460 always wondered about the actual culture 560 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,460 during World War two is if the ancient 561 00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:08,159 alien lineage motive was really out in 562 00:23:10,820 --> 00:23:08,790 the open 563 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:10,830 or and it's been edited out by 564 00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:13,350 calculated historians or where those 565 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:15,660 ideas kept close to the chest among the 566 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:18,930 leaders even then oh that's a good 567 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,490 question one of the things we do know 568 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:22,860 for example about the the Nazis you know 569 00:23:27,650 --> 00:23:25,230 it wasn't just that they believed that 570 00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:27,660 they say you know sort of his ancient 571 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:28,950 relics like the Ark of the Covenant 572 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:30,780 which suppose and all these you know 573 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:33,090 bizarre powers etc that he would help 574 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:35,370 them win the war they actually felt the 575 00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,410 Nazis felt that their lineage went back 576 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,020 to like an ancient human race you know 577 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:41,760 that they it wasn't just that there with 578 00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:44,190 a master race today in their eyes it was 579 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:45,900 more the fact that they would descended 580 00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:47,910 from this sort of race of supermen going 581 00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:50,700 back however long so in other words they 582 00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:52,800 were taking the view that they were 583 00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:55,740 already an ancient race and it was time 584 00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,400 for them to return by you know reopening 585 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:02,880 all these ancient aspects of you know 586 00:24:08,660 --> 00:24:06,570 their original culture if you like you 587 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:08,670 know so there was there was this idea 588 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,770 that he wasn't just a master race or a 589 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,720 super race today in their mind it was 590 00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:14,940 that they were just continuing on to 591 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,030 where you know if they left off and sort 592 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:20,760 of I guess devolve for a while and now 593 00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:22,500 it was time for them to come back again 594 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:24,840 so you know a lot of people realize that 595 00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:26,970 they just saw Hitler was on you know the 596 00:24:30,020 --> 00:24:28,350 lookout for anything that would help him 597 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:30,030 win the war but you know you actually 598 00:24:34,670 --> 00:24:32,760 did have this background to where he 599 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:34,680 felt he was fulfilling and bringing back 600 00:24:39,410 --> 00:24:36,900 you know the ancients which they were 601 00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,420 descended from so well and obviously you 602 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:41,640 know about Project Paperclip those who 603 00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:43,050 don't it's you know the program to bring 604 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:45,390 that Nazi scientists to work in the 605 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:48,390 States black ops projects to avoid 606 00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:51,450 persecution and prosecution but have you 607 00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:53,550 heard any of the stories of Hitler 608 00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:55,920 escaping or the Nazis returning to a 609 00:25:00,620 --> 00:24:59,130 camp in the Arctic yeah I mean those 610 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:00,630 with the book obviously you know I was 611 00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:03,150 sort of limited in the number of pages I 612 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,860 could write which is why we've been at 613 00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:06,480 sea I just focused on their involvement 614 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:08,220 in the ancient stuff because it was very 615 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,170 relevant but I mean yeah I mean the 616 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,960 whole Nazi conspiracy clean you know 617 00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:14,880 goes much further you know you've got 618 00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:16,980 the paperclip scientists coming over in 619 00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,500 the theory that at least some UFOs may 620 00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:21,720 have been developed in the late forties 621 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:22,500 in the 622 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:25,080 as an outgrowth of advanced Nazi 623 00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,210 technology developed in the final stages 624 00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:29,820 of the war and we know you know a lot of 625 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:31,320 rocket scientists were brought over I 626 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:33,330 mean Wernher von Braun who was one of 627 00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:35,790 you know that the main brilliant German 628 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:38,820 rocket scientists who built the v1 and 2 629 00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,010 v2 rockets that bombed London Britain 630 00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:45,960 you know he became director of NASA you 631 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:48,870 know that's not a joke or a rumor I mean 632 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:50,490 Wernher von Braun who was a ninety 633 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:52,560 scientist in the Second World War became 634 00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:55,710 the director of NASA you know then in 635 00:26:01,460 --> 00:25:58,710 plain sight right there yeah and so you 636 00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,470 know that in itself is kind of bizarre 637 00:26:06,860 --> 00:26:03,600 but yeah I mean you know you've got the 638 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:06,870 idea of sort of a faction of the Nazis 639 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:10,620 hiding out in one of the polls if you 640 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:11,970 like to say the North Pole 641 00:26:16,550 --> 00:26:14,330 interestingly enough the FBI 642 00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:16,560 Declassified a whole file which runs 643 00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:19,080 into I forget the number of pages but 644 00:26:24,050 --> 00:26:21,540 it's a huge file on people who claimed 645 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:24,060 to have seen Hitler in the state after 646 00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:25,260 the Second World War 647 00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:27,150 you know they opened a file on all these 648 00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,620 letters that were coming in from people 649 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:30,000 saying well you know yes gate here any 650 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:32,310 escape then they did a lengthy and 651 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:34,650 extensive investigation and I'm not sure 652 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,420 if it's online at their website or not 653 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:38,640 which is called the vault but you can 654 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,890 get it from the FBI and it you know that 655 00:26:45,410 --> 00:26:42,600 like a whole department that was looking 656 00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:45,420 into these stories about Hitler like 657 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:46,950 faking his own death and you know 658 00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,250 fleeing somewhere else now this is kind 659 00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:52,320 of this is a total 180 from what we've 660 00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:53,430 been talking about I kind of want to 661 00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:56,670 talk about some paranormal aspect and 662 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,990 I'm really curious to hear your thoughts 663 00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:59,700 on this because I know you've researched 664 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:01,020 a lot of other paranormal stuff 665 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:03,450 including stories of like entities that 666 00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:06,090 sort of feed on negative energy or like 667 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:08,790 the torture of the human soul and that 668 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:11,190 that said it seems to me that there are 669 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:12,930 essentially three levels in government 670 00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:14,910 like and I'm simplifying just to kind of 671 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,500 get to the point but the main ninety 672 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:18,000 percent who just disregard anything 673 00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:19,890 paranormal or alien and there's like a 674 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,950 higher order who it's kind of involved 675 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:24,480 in the occult research but really 676 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:25,890 doesn't know what's going on these are 677 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:27,930 the people that are the subject of a lot 678 00:27:31,910 --> 00:27:30,330 of the stories in your book but then I 679 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:31,920 think there's an even higher group or 680 00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:34,050 secret society if you will that's deeply 681 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:36,360 involved in demonic and Dark Ritual 682 00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:38,100 and I hear these stories of child 683 00:27:43,090 --> 00:27:40,220 trafficking amongst the elites and 684 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,100 systematic ritual sexual abuse and these 685 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:45,600 these weird cults and it just seems to 686 00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,210 me that the groups know something about 687 00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:50,399 how to harness deep emotional trauma do 688 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:52,200 you see any parallels there or am i kind 689 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,049 of stretching I've never sort of really 690 00:28:00,200 --> 00:27:57,600 you know delved into the whole abuse 691 00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,210 angle at all but what I will say I mean 692 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:02,580 I wrote a book in 2010 called final 693 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:04,470 events which were a study of how a 694 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:06,750 think-tank type grouping the government 695 00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,850 came to believe you know that the whole 696 00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,039 UFO phenomena and was like a demonic 697 00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:13,320 deception I mean you know that was a 698 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,059 belief system that's an important thing 699 00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,559 to stress you know he wasn't that they 700 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:18,659 proved that's what he was that's what 701 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:20,460 they came to believe it was you know 702 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:23,010 they felt that like alien abductions 703 00:28:29,259 --> 00:28:26,070 were staged by this phenomenon to kind 704 00:28:31,879 --> 00:28:29,269 of create like an ET même if you like 705 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:31,889 when in reality you know they were sort 706 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:34,950 of deceiving us into accepting demons 707 00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:37,289 amongst us but you know that you can 708 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,480 find a lot of examples of where the 709 00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:41,760 government has dabbled in the occult I 710 00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:44,190 mean for example one of the most famous 711 00:28:50,509 --> 00:28:47,669 are cultists who did extensive work in 712 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:50,519 the late forties for the US military and 713 00:28:55,159 --> 00:28:52,769 government was Jack Parsons you know 714 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,169 Jack Martin set up the Aerojet 715 00:29:00,440 --> 00:28:58,080 corporation which also ultimately made 716 00:29:02,899 --> 00:29:00,450 the solid rocket boosters for the Space 717 00:29:05,419 --> 00:29:02,909 Shuttle and you know this is a guy who 718 00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:05,429 in his early rocket tests out of 719 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:07,880 Pasadena 720 00:29:13,009 --> 00:29:09,450 appropriately enough at a place called 721 00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,019 Devil's Gate dam the in Pasadena you 722 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:15,240 know he before each rocket launch he 723 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,510 would invoke the god Pan to ensure a 724 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:20,580 successful flight you know and he was 725 00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:22,769 being funded by the military at this 726 00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:25,649 time and he was also a disciple Aleister 727 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:29,279 Crowley who was also who had extensive 728 00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,049 links in both British and American 729 00:29:37,129 --> 00:29:34,380 intelligence Crowley was you and and 730 00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:37,139 Parsons after Chloe's death you know 731 00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:38,760 they're both engaged in trying to open 732 00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:40,889 portals and doorways to other realms of 733 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:43,139 existence and you know letting these 734 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:45,929 higher entities and Crowley suppose they 735 00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:49,710 did this in 1917 with this entity known 736 00:29:53,030 --> 00:29:50,430 as 737 00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:53,040 l am right if you google Aleister 738 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:55,380 Crowley plus lamb and you look at the 739 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:56,970 picture of lamb it looks just like the 740 00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:58,650 alien on the front cover Whitley 741 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:02,460 streamers communion are from the ID but 742 00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:04,290 everything else looks the same you know 743 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,660 it's just like this hip music being head 744 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,600 and little shoulders etc so you know but 745 00:30:12,890 --> 00:30:11,640 as I said the important thing is when in 746 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:12,900 relation to your question 747 00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:15,990 I mean Parsons you know you it was 748 00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:20,190 heavily paid and funded by the military 749 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,910 but you know he was having sort of 750 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:26,100 occult masses and everything in you know 751 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:28,200 downtown Los Angeles in his house etc 752 00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:32,010 and but the military didn't care you 753 00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,560 know they recognized he was a brilliant 754 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:36,360 scientist and let him do his thing but 755 00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:39,630 there are other examples as well the CIA 756 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:41,280 we know again through the Freedom of 757 00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:44,790 Information Act in 52 actually opened a 758 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:46,680 small project to determine the 759 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:50,250 feasibility of using Ouija boards to try 760 00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,810 and contact Libya and this sounds 761 00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:53,520 bizarre but the plan was to try and 762 00:31:00,080 --> 00:30:57,180 contact dead CIA agents and have them 763 00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:00,090 use their soul to spy on the Russians 764 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:02,460 you know you could go pass the message 765 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,130 to the Ouija board to go to the Kremlin 766 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:07,320 you know it sounds bizarre but that 767 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,340 that's literally what they were 768 00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:10,080 researching and you know they did a lot 769 00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:14,220 of research also into you know everybody 770 00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:15,780 knows about the things like you know be 771 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,440 MKULTRA LSD mind-control program but 772 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:21,240 they were also you know the CIA 773 00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:24,390 initiated and sponsored trips to South 774 00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:26,400 America you know to tour to find 775 00:31:31,910 --> 00:31:29,270 psychedelic psychedelic plants etc and 776 00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:31,920 you know tap into that and try and find 777 00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:34,560 out why people had mystical experiences 778 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:36,030 you know when when they were under the 779 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:39,270 influence of this or that so you know 780 00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:41,490 they were looking into some very weird 781 00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:43,950 and esoteric areas yeah you actually 782 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:46,680 have a little part of about magic 783 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:50,250 mushrooms in this most recent book tell 784 00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:52,050 us about that story because those those 785 00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,830 hallucinations seem pretty wild yeah 786 00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:57,000 what you want me to tell you about magic 787 00:32:01,060 --> 00:31:58,440 mushrooms or the magic mushrooms in the 788 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:01,070 book yeah yeah 789 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:04,490 but yeah I mean yeah this this is sort 790 00:32:09,879 --> 00:32:07,490 of a central part of the story you know 791 00:32:12,730 --> 00:32:09,889 if it was just a case of government 792 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:12,740 agencies you know looking back into the 793 00:32:17,499 --> 00:32:15,289 history books and you know googling this 794 00:32:18,909 --> 00:32:17,509 or whatever you could say they didn't 795 00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,919 really have much insight you know they 796 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:20,720 were just sort of surfing around the 797 00:32:26,259 --> 00:32:23,570 edges but when you find you know they 798 00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:26,269 were dealing and looking at stories of 799 00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,720 reincarnation and people you know sort 800 00:32:34,299 --> 00:32:32,000 of getting into altered states of mind 801 00:32:36,220 --> 00:32:34,309 to where there was a possibility that 802 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:36,230 they were sort of literally sending 803 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:38,809 their soul or essence back through time 804 00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:40,610 you know they were sort of surfing time 805 00:32:43,389 --> 00:32:42,860 while their mind was in this altered 806 00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:43,399 state 807 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,409 you know and the view was that you know 808 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:47,120 when you get into this kind of altered 809 00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:49,970 state and people have some people say 810 00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,830 hallucinations they were actually 811 00:32:55,749 --> 00:32:53,840 looking at the idea that rather than 812 00:32:58,269 --> 00:32:55,759 been hallucinating people have seen 813 00:33:00,580 --> 00:32:58,279 literal portals and doorways for the 814 00:33:04,539 --> 00:33:00,590 realms that you don't see in a normal 815 00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:04,549 quote normal state of mind you know and 816 00:33:08,379 --> 00:33:06,470 they were they were listening to people 817 00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:08,389 who were you know under the influence of 818 00:33:13,389 --> 00:33:11,169 this or that and particularly mushrooms 819 00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,399 and who were telling stories about 820 00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:15,919 seeing that stones lifted into the air 821 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:18,289 in the you know in Egypt by flying 822 00:33:23,619 --> 00:33:22,220 saucer type devices and you know that 823 00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:23,629 they were digging into some very 824 00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:25,220 alternative areas but what was more 825 00:33:28,629 --> 00:33:26,990 interesting is that clearly there were 826 00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:28,639 some people in government and this gets 827 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:29,870 back to what you said about like a 828 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:31,610 higher group there was people in 829 00:33:36,879 --> 00:33:34,190 government who clearly realized this was 830 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:36,889 an important area of significance to 831 00:33:41,649 --> 00:33:39,289 look into you know that they knew that 832 00:33:44,409 --> 00:33:41,659 there was some reap they knew you know 833 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:44,419 for some reason there was a good reason 834 00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:47,960 for for digging into this whole angle of 835 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:50,600 you know psychedelics and portals being 836 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:53,389 opened and possibly you know some 837 00:33:59,580 --> 00:33:56,090 military gain coming from all that it is 838 00:34:03,430 --> 00:33:59,590 weird I think that the psychedelics and 839 00:34:05,409 --> 00:34:03,440 paranormal phenomenon and UFOs I don't 840 00:34:07,539 --> 00:34:05,419 know how or why but to me those dots 841 00:34:09,970 --> 00:34:07,549 kind of connect it's kind of hazy how 842 00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:09,980 but they all seem like parts of the same 843 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:12,740 phenomena well I mean there are cases 844 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:14,810 for example where people have 845 00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:16,730 you know being under the influence of 846 00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:20,750 LSD for example I mean I I I quote one 847 00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:23,000 story in I think was in final events 848 00:34:27,870 --> 00:34:25,580 where people have been under the 849 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:27,880 influence of LSD and they both seen a 850 00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:31,520 UFO they've seen the same UFO now you 851 00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:32,840 know one of the important things about 852 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:36,230 LSD is that what's more equally as 853 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:39,170 important as the strength of the dose 854 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,690 needs the scene and the setting and the 855 00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:43,760 mindset of the person of course and and 856 00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:46,040 this you know tests have proved this 857 00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:48,200 that if you are in a bad setting in a 858 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:51,020 negative vibe the experience is probably 859 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:53,930 not going to be a good trick oh no no no 860 00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:57,650 no not intended and so in that sense you 861 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:00,560 know it's kind of like it's not just the 862 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:03,290 expectation that maybe if you think 863 00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:04,490 you're going to see something you see it 864 00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:07,700 but possibly if your minds amenable when 865 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:09,470 you're in this altered state you really 866 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:12,290 do open the fabric of reality to 867 00:35:16,330 --> 00:35:14,390 something else you know it's like DMT 868 00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,340 you know which occurs naturally in the 869 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:18,800 brain well when people you know being 870 00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:20,930 given like want a overdose ooh the extra 871 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,080 doses of DMT they started reported 872 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:26,720 seeing you know images of these sort of 873 00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:29,930 little elf like creatures coming through 874 00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,060 the veil if you like and some of these 875 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:34,400 sores are so close to each other it's 876 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:36,650 difficult to dismiss the idea that you 877 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:39,230 know we've seen something that we don't 878 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:42,530 normally see in in regular situations 879 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:44,570 you know what we call reality but more 880 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:46,220 importantly these things seem to know 881 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:49,310 when we see them they know we that we've 882 00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:51,410 seen and you know right we've been 883 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:53,360 rumbled if you like some it is very 884 00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:56,210 weird and you mentioned earlier the the 885 00:36:00,580 --> 00:35:59,060 face on Mars and that's one area that I 886 00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:00,590 just find it really hard to form an 887 00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:03,620 opinion on because as far as the face on 888 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:05,780 Mars and the cydonia pyramids because 889 00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:08,690 anything I find compelling NASA seems to 890 00:36:13,090 --> 00:36:11,120 have some high-res photo of some other 891 00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:13,100 angle where it looks like nothing and 892 00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,990 the problem is yeah you know if there 893 00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:16,400 were structures on Mars or the moon 894 00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:18,350 while we're at it I have no doubt it 895 00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:19,640 would be covered up but that doesn't 896 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:21,320 necessarily mean there's something to 897 00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:23,300 cover up but you know what have you seen 898 00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,790 with that yeah now you like that I think 899 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:27,920 that the big problem with the face on 900 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,650 Mars 901 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,500 not so much that it's there it's the 902 00:36:35,539 --> 00:36:34,020 fact that the average person isn't able 903 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:35,549 to go and look at it you know we can't 904 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:38,130 go there you know that's the problem 905 00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,710 it's kind of like something on the earth 906 00:36:44,359 --> 00:36:42,359 like the pyramids you know anybody can 907 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:44,369 go there and analyze them etc and come 908 00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:46,529 to form a conclusion the problem is with 909 00:36:50,809 --> 00:36:47,430 the face on Mars 910 00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,819 we're strictly and solely limited to you 911 00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,619 know a few photographs some of which do 912 00:36:57,799 --> 00:36:55,140 appear to show her face others that kind 913 00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:57,809 of look just like a pond or rubble Mesa 914 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:01,619 or whatever but you know the interesting 915 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:05,400 thing is that that I mean the fact that 916 00:37:10,099 --> 00:37:07,770 when you look at it from some angles in 917 00:37:11,809 --> 00:37:10,109 certain light it does look like a face 918 00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:11,819 now they the thing that a number of 919 00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,859 researchers who believe that it is a 920 00:37:18,799 --> 00:37:16,140 face have said is that you know the 921 00:37:20,809 --> 00:37:18,809 Egyptian pyramids may go back you know 922 00:37:22,579 --> 00:37:20,819 ten thousand years or whatever you know 923 00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:22,589 some people do push you know some people 924 00:37:26,359 --> 00:37:24,599 say wait the official stories like three 925 00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,369 to five thousand but maybe when pushing 926 00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:28,859 back ten to fifteen we don't render by 927 00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:30,660 Mac Tony sue wrote a book called after 928 00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,900 the Martian apocalypse Mac theorized you 929 00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:35,700 know these Martian artifacts could be 930 00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,339 half a million years old you know and he 931 00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,440 said it's the case you imagine what the 932 00:37:44,299 --> 00:37:42,839 Sphinx and today's pyramids you need it 933 00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:44,309 would look like a half a million years 934 00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:46,710 from now the problem wouldn't be that 935 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:48,420 recognizable you know beyond the average 936 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:50,730 shape and cut that looks kind of face 937 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:52,890 like you know rather than today it 938 00:37:59,420 --> 00:37:57,240 clearly is a face and so you know what I 939 00:38:02,690 --> 00:37:59,430 find interesting is that from certain 940 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:02,700 angles the face on Mars does look things 941 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:06,630 like and also not far away you do have 942 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:09,210 structures that look pyramid like as 943 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,210 well so even if it's just a bizarre 944 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:14,640 coincidence the very fact that you do 945 00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,770 have this Sphinx like face and pyramid 946 00:38:22,579 --> 00:38:18,599 type structures all in the same area for 947 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:22,589 me suggests we have to look into it you 948 00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:24,990 know and one of the things I point out 949 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:26,940 in the book one the very weird stories 950 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:29,700 is that there are a number of people in 951 00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:31,890 the world of science fiction from the 952 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:34,589 50s particularly who had links and 953 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:35,730 contacts within the intelligence 954 00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:38,369 community the military the CIA who 955 00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:40,589 actually wrote sci-fi stories and comic 956 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:42,190 books with a 957 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:44,530 with a theme having the theme of them 958 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:47,290 was what face even pyramids on Mars you 959 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,150 know this has led to speculation that 960 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:51,280 maybe somebody in the government knew 961 00:38:55,230 --> 00:38:53,170 about the face on Mars decades and 962 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,240 decades ago long before NASA found out 963 00:39:01,260 --> 00:38:57,780 and may have actually even tried to 964 00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:01,270 subtly seed a few early stories into the 965 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:02,860 public domain to see what the reaction 966 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:05,290 would be you know but but do it through 967 00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:07,180 the medium of like entertainment with 968 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:09,580 novels and comic books and whatever and 969 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:12,490 just see you know what the response was 970 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:15,010 an example Jack Kirby the famous comic 971 00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:16,630 book artist actually wrote a story 972 00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:19,420 called the face on Mars in 58 which is 973 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:21,190 all about American astronauts going to 974 00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:23,710 Mars and finding this huge carved face 975 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:25,600 it stays up from the surface of the 976 00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:27,670 planet you know you couldn't get yeah 977 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:29,500 you couldn't get much closer you peep 978 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:32,410 you google again Jack Kirby plus face on 979 00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:34,930 Mars you actually people scanned in you 980 00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:36,460 know at the front cover or the you know 981 00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:39,070 the main page of the of the story and 982 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:41,860 you'll see you know this huge face on 983 00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:44,470 Mars in a story titled the face on Mars 984 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:47,980 and Kirby had sort of quasi-official not 985 00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:49,330 quite a official but I mean he had 986 00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:53,800 tangential links with paper and CIA you 987 00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:55,720 know so you get some very weird stuff 988 00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:59,680 like that as if somebody knew that you 989 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,510 know there was weird stuff on Mars it 990 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:03,760 sort of paralleled you know the things 991 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:05,770 in Egypt so to speak well you can find 992 00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:08,410 that with all kinds of stuff I mean I've 993 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:11,620 seen montages about 9/11 that where 994 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:14,410 they've got all this imagery that came 995 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:18,850 out before 2001 and it's all eerie very 996 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:21,130 eerie there's one of them is you know 997 00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:23,050 the Simpsons one of them's the Rugrats 998 00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:26,740 movie one of them some album cover an 999 00:40:30,090 --> 00:40:28,360 episode of the x-files and it's weird 1000 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:30,100 because it's like it almost seems like 1001 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:32,260 somebody somewhere knows that there's a 1002 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:36,510 link between subliminal messages and 1003 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:40,390 reality well yeah I mean you know I mean 1004 00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:42,580 this sort of in one sense you could 1005 00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:44,260 argue ties in with this whole issue 1006 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:46,870 about the CIA we're sort of looking at 1007 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:49,690 the idea of you know sort of psychedelic 1008 00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:51,970 trips into the past and possibly the 1009 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:54,940 future you know maybe maybe you know 1010 00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:56,210 time isn't as we 1011 00:41:02,220 --> 00:40:59,210 see it and possibly you know maybe some 1012 00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:02,230 of these you know sort of imagery from 1013 00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:05,109 events that haven't happened yet is 1014 00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:07,820 occurring because somebody is literally 1015 00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:09,560 picking up on something that inevitably 1016 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:11,480 is going to happen you know and they 1017 00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,730 become like a comic book artist you know 1018 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:15,200 where do they get their inspiration from 1019 00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:16,970 maybe they really are getting it from 1020 00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:17,720 the future 1021 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:20,060 you know maybe Jack Kirby's mindset 1022 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:22,460 tapped into the fact that 20 years later 1023 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:24,890 NASA was going to take these photographs 1024 00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:26,690 of this weird-looking face you know 1025 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:28,310 right I mean well I've heard the 1026 00:41:33,070 --> 00:41:31,609 theories of there being time portals 1027 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:33,080 that we just don't know much about that 1028 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:35,270 maybe the Bermuda Triangle is one maybe 1029 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:38,089 the Loch Ness monster is a is something 1030 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:39,890 where the portal opens up and the energy 1031 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:42,410 of a dinosaur or actual dinosaur comes 1032 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:44,990 through you know and maybe that's what 1033 00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,780 UFOs are is like future crafts coming 1034 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:50,240 through for a second weird oh yeah I 1035 00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:51,770 mean you know it's one of my other big 1036 00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:53,540 interest he's cryptozoology you know the 1037 00:41:56,890 --> 00:41:55,220 study of unknown animals he's loving 1038 00:41:59,500 --> 00:41:56,900 Bigfoot you know some researchers will 1039 00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,510 tell you Bigfoot's just an unidentified 1040 00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:01,280 eight but the science hasn't found but 1041 00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:03,320 the more you dig into it it's clearly 1042 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:06,830 not you know he goes way beyond that you 1043 00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:08,210 know you have reports of Bigfoot 1044 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:09,950 appearing and vanishing in the blink of 1045 00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:12,890 an eye cameras jamming you know all 1046 00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:15,320 sorts of just strange stuff associated 1047 00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:18,440 with it and these things come and go we 1048 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:20,270 never catch them and it is almost like 1049 00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,270 they sort of flit in and out of a 1050 00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:25,040 reality or possibly our time frame you 1051 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:26,660 know that it's almost like they're on 1052 00:42:29,950 --> 00:42:27,710 the equivalents of like the New York 1053 00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:29,960 subway or the London Underground you 1054 00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:31,880 know they jump offered station at 1055 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:33,800 station in a way that we don't 1056 00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:35,930 understand you know but it's more like a 1057 00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:38,359 dimension by dimension possible I mean 1058 00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:40,790 people are afraid of the idea that a 1059 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:42,920 secret shadow government knows about our 1060 00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:45,170 origins and aliens and keeps us in the 1061 00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,150 dark to control us but a part of me 1062 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:48,560 takes comfort in thinking well at least 1063 00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:50,210 somebody can explain all this [\h__\h] even 1064 00:42:54,099 --> 00:42:53,150 if they won't yeah well I think I think 1065 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:54,109 you right when there's like different 1066 00:42:57,970 --> 00:42:56,060 levels you know there's certainly some 1067 00:42:59,710 --> 00:42:57,980 agencies in government who know nothing 1068 00:43:02,170 --> 00:42:59,720 I mean you said the UFO subject where 1069 00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:02,180 Project Blue Book was pretty much just 1070 00:43:06,339 --> 00:43:04,070 like a public relations exercise you 1071 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:06,349 know they didn't really find much or 1072 00:43:09,970 --> 00:43:08,030 know much at all then certainly in the 1073 00:43:11,470 --> 00:43:09,980 last ten years or so it really was just 1074 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:11,480 couple of guys in an office you know 1075 00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:13,970 there was no field work or anything but 1076 00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:17,630 then you have you know agencies higher 1077 00:43:22,510 --> 00:43:19,820 up than them you know like the CIA and 1078 00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:22,520 the NSA doing research but then you have 1079 00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:24,260 these other rumors of you know what's 1080 00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:26,750 going on at area 51 etc that kind of 1081 00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,230 thing so I think that's not just the way 1082 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:32,560 secrets are kept you know by just 1083 00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:34,730 ensuring not everybody knows but the 1084 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:38,420 less people know but less you know 1085 00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:39,950 chance of a secret leaking air but I 1086 00:43:45,130 --> 00:43:42,430 think it's also connected with like 1087 00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,140 powerful ancient people ancient money 1088 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:46,880 things like that you know ancient 1089 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:49,730 families you know these big big business 1090 00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:52,130 and big money families who are tied in 1091 00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:53,780 with government and intelligence 1092 00:44:00,340 --> 00:43:57,800 agencies etc and then they're gone yeah 1093 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:00,350 I don't personally think the ones are 1094 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:01,730 really in the know are just like 1095 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:03,740 Pentagon generals I think it's more like 1096 00:44:12,359 --> 00:44:08,210 a cabal of of big money old families you 1097 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:12,369 know powerful you know backgrounds and 1098 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:15,290 aristocracy that sort of things right Oh 1099 00:44:21,370 --> 00:44:18,890 simply put if you had to speculate and 1100 00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:21,380 try to come up with one cohesive 1101 00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:23,300 worldview out of all your research that 1102 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:25,580 you've done explaining flying saucers 1103 00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:28,609 and the Mothman and jinn and everything 1104 00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:30,020 um what would it look like 1105 00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,000 are these independent phenomenons in 1106 00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:33,920 your mind or are there a unifying theory 1107 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:36,680 oh I think there's a unifying theory I'm 1108 00:44:40,810 --> 00:44:38,930 not convinced to us at all that the UFO 1109 00:44:43,570 --> 00:44:40,820 phenomenon is extraterrestrial in the 1110 00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:43,580 sense that it's literally aliens coming 1111 00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:46,550 from planet to planet Earth what I think 1112 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:50,510 is the phenomenon is real but you know 1113 00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:52,250 you can find clear parallels throughout 1114 00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:54,230 history where things that have been 1115 00:45:00,820 --> 00:44:57,500 interpreted as demon goblins jinn and 1116 00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,830 today's aliens it all manifests in the 1117 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:02,480 same way to also do with like 1118 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:05,450 manifestation in people's bedrooms like 1119 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:09,170 an interest in human reproduction and 1120 00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:11,570 babies and these sort of predatory 1121 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:14,660 entities that kidnap us time distortions 1122 00:45:20,349 --> 00:45:17,570 and I think the kind of what I call the 1123 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:20,359 alien meme he's sort of the modern-day 1124 00:45:23,259 --> 00:45:22,130 equivalent of the demon name or the 1125 00:45:25,149 --> 00:45:23,269 Goblin name 1126 00:45:28,809 --> 00:45:25,159 whatever mean you know something's been 1127 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:28,819 interacting with us manipulating us for 1128 00:45:33,669 --> 00:45:31,249 as long as we've been around and I think 1129 00:45:36,549 --> 00:45:33,679 the current incarnation is the one 1130 00:45:38,109 --> 00:45:36,559 that's used because we accept the idea 1131 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:38,119 that aliens could be out there in the 1132 00:45:41,799 --> 00:45:39,649 same way that two thousand three 1133 00:45:43,749 --> 00:45:41,809 thousand years ago there's a far bigger 1134 00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:43,759 belief in like demons and demonic 1135 00:45:49,689 --> 00:45:47,359 entities are bigger than today and I 1136 00:45:52,539 --> 00:45:49,699 think the phenomenon whatever it is 1137 00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:52,549 seems to have some sort of controlling 1138 00:45:56,739 --> 00:45:55,069 or manipulation factor involving us 1139 00:45:59,019 --> 00:45:56,749 maybe you know many people like our 1140 00:46:00,789 --> 00:45:59,029 belief systems to keep us in will I per 1141 00:46:02,829 --> 00:46:00,799 heard you know and they're the farmer or 1142 00:46:05,139 --> 00:46:02,839 something and I think there are people 1143 00:46:07,179 --> 00:46:05,149 in government who know this I think 1144 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:07,189 there are some people who like this 1145 00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:09,729 information people who spread stories 1146 00:46:15,309 --> 00:46:13,099 you know suggesting there's nothing to 1147 00:46:17,889 --> 00:46:15,319 this mother's bread stories suggest 1148 00:46:19,749 --> 00:46:17,899 howdy alien you don't know and I think 1149 00:46:21,059 --> 00:46:19,759 that I think the whole point is to there 1150 00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:21,069 are people in government who do know 1151 00:46:25,929 --> 00:46:24,529 part of their task is to confuse us by 1152 00:46:29,529 --> 00:46:25,939 Paula leanness with so many 1153 00:46:31,809 --> 00:46:29,539 contradictory angles that it keeps us 1154 00:46:33,429 --> 00:46:31,819 busy looking for all those well maybe 1155 00:46:36,149 --> 00:46:33,439 the real secret they don't want us to 1156 00:46:38,499 --> 00:46:36,159 get hold of stays buried if you like 1157 00:46:40,659 --> 00:46:38,509 well let me hit you with a few questions 1158 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:40,669 from the internet because we're kind of 1159 00:46:45,249 --> 00:46:42,529 getting down to the last sentence or so 1160 00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,259 but uh do you think there are physics 1161 00:46:51,669 --> 00:46:47,359 that explain UFO movement that are 1162 00:46:53,529 --> 00:46:51,679 classified to the public yes I think you 1163 00:46:55,509 --> 00:46:53,539 know there's no doubt in my mind the 1164 00:46:57,009 --> 00:46:55,519 more our technology advances the more 1165 00:47:00,009 --> 00:46:57,019 and more difficult it's going to be to 1166 00:47:02,649 --> 00:47:00,019 differentiate between our UFOs and 1167 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:02,659 somebody else's UFOs I mean you know you 1168 00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:04,130 look at the whole black triangle 1169 00:47:08,799 --> 00:47:06,649 phenomenon over the last few decades you 1170 00:47:11,499 --> 00:47:08,809 know there this you can there are cases 1171 00:47:13,389 --> 00:47:11,509 where you can suggest some of these are 1172 00:47:15,609 --> 00:47:13,399 extraterrestrial and some of them could 1173 00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:15,619 be highly advanced military craft but if 1174 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:17,630 some of them are highly advanced 1175 00:47:21,759 --> 00:47:19,849 military craft you know to have some 1176 00:47:24,939 --> 00:47:21,769 sort of vehicle that can go the size of 1177 00:47:27,069 --> 00:47:24,949 747 you know that can go from standing 1178 00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:27,079 still to literally vanishing in an 1179 00:47:31,989 --> 00:47:29,689 instant with no apparent acceleration 1180 00:47:33,399 --> 00:47:31,999 effects on the crew I mean I'm using 1181 00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:33,409 that as an example because there's a 1182 00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:35,689 famous British case investigated by the 1183 00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:36,950 Ministry of Defense in nine 1184 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:41,320 three we're actually a Royal Air Force 1185 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,030 observer saw this thing hovering over a 1186 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:46,490 military base in central England in 93 1187 00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,369 and he described it as like a black 1188 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:51,920 triangle almost the size of a 747 that 1189 00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,050 was barely moving like 15 mile an hour 1190 00:47:58,329 --> 00:47:56,000 and then just shut up into the sky and 1191 00:48:00,579 --> 00:47:58,339 vanished you know in an instant now that 1192 00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:00,589 would kill the crew right you know with 1193 00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:02,780 the g-forces so yeah I think there's 1194 00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,510 clearly evidence of advanced 1195 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:07,520 technologies that go far beyond 1196 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:10,130 mainstream physics but the problem is 1197 00:48:15,339 --> 00:48:12,710 again it's who has access to it and you 1198 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:15,349 know to what extent or not they'll share 1199 00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,530 it with anybody else right another good 1200 00:48:24,310 --> 00:48:21,020 one I got here that I liked was have you 1201 00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:24,320 ever experienced non ordinary life forms 1202 00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:26,180 in shamanic states of consciousness or 1203 00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:30,079 any other means um I've had a few weird 1204 00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,550 experiences I mean one of the big 1205 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:34,400 interests of mine is tokers the idea 1206 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:36,770 which basically like thought-forms where 1207 00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:38,570 you know you concentrate on an image in 1208 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:41,569 the human mind and try and you know you 1209 00:48:46,059 --> 00:48:43,849 go into like a trance-like meditative 1210 00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:46,069 state and try and conjure up over a 1211 00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:47,990 period of time you know whatever image 1212 00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:49,910 like for example when I tried once like 1213 00:48:57,250 --> 00:48:52,750 a like a black dog with fiery red eyes 1214 00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:57,260 and then actually coming home like one 1215 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:00,650 night actually saw what looks just like 1216 00:49:05,950 --> 00:49:03,170 that but it looked like it was born out 1217 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:05,960 of the shadows from the streetlights and 1218 00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,250 hold etc but it was almost as if you 1219 00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:12,079 imagined the shadows would be 1220 00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:14,750 manipulated by something to come to life 1221 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:16,280 for a brief instant and make it look 1222 00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:19,490 like this spectral big black dog you 1223 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:21,500 know it was almost too coincidental and 1224 00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:23,930 here taupe was a particular fascination 1225 00:49:28,329 --> 00:49:25,670 of mine the idea that you know he 1226 00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,339 concentrates on something in your mind 1227 00:49:34,329 --> 00:49:31,520 you can literally kind of give birth to 1228 00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:34,339 Lonnie anaphase I but you can manifest 1229 00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:35,900 you and then you can actually take on 1230 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:38,180 like a quasi independent existence and 1231 00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,220 the more people who believe in it it 1232 00:49:44,829 --> 00:49:43,040 sustains more strength and the more 1233 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:44,839 strength it gets and it's and it 1234 00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:47,510 instills fear in the witness in other 1235 00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:50,510 words it has to be seen to instill fear 1236 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:52,820 then fades on like a psychic vampire to 1237 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:55,130 keep itself alive if you like so it's 1238 00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:56,570 kind of God giving birth to a mind 1239 00:50:01,960 --> 00:49:59,150 monster oof sometime yeah maybe that has 1240 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:01,970 something to do with why Hollywood has 1241 00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:04,130 put out the idea of the greys maybe they 1242 00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:05,390 know something like that and they're 1243 00:50:10,060 --> 00:50:07,250 pushing it out maybe that I also 1244 00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:10,070 explains pretty much all cryptids you 1245 00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:12,260 know well it could you I mean we all 1246 00:50:15,610 --> 00:50:13,520 think you know there's weird stuff in 1247 00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:15,620 the woods if enough people believe as 1248 00:50:19,390 --> 00:50:17,300 monsters in the woods maybe that 1249 00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:19,400 actually brings them to life because so 1250 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:21,380 many people intentionally went believing 1251 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:23,030 that they're out there almost like 1252 00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:25,210 another version of the placebo effect 1253 00:50:32,290 --> 00:50:30,470 exactly yeah crazy I guess another one I 1254 00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,300 got here I think I already we already 1255 00:50:34,570 --> 00:50:33,680 kind of covered I kind of the answer to 1256 00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:34,580 but do you think there are other 1257 00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:37,190 frequencies beans can exist on and art 1258 00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:38,900 like would you say ghosts are multi 1259 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:41,080 multi dimensional beings rather than 1260 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:45,770 just spirit yeah I mean I mean certainly 1261 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:47,330 things like quantum physics today you 1262 00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:49,010 know they're allowing for the existence 1263 00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,560 of extra dimensions or multi dimensions 1264 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:52,640 and I think you know the best way to 1265 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:54,410 describe it for me you know you're 1266 00:50:57,790 --> 00:50:55,930 driving your car listening to the radio 1267 00:50:59,560 --> 00:50:57,800 you don't like the song that's playing 1268 00:51:01,360 --> 00:50:59,570 so you flick to another channel and 1269 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:01,370 another one and another one you know but 1270 00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:02,570 all these channels are playing at the 1271 00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:05,030 same time but you can only be on one any 1272 00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:07,190 given moment and I think that's the same 1273 00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:09,260 that some of these entities if not all 1274 00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:11,620 of them you know are sort of like 1275 00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:14,870 dimension-hopping things you know that 1276 00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:16,070 makes more sense to me than just 1277 00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:17,870 flitting back and forth from some 1278 00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:21,080 faraway planet or whatever and he could 1279 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:23,660 explain why all these things really said 1280 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:26,810 ghosts Bigfoot you know like monsters 1281 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,450 werewolves aliens you know all these 1282 00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,800 sort of things that exist in our 1283 00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:32,720 folklore mythology for thousands of 1284 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:35,990 years you know come and go but they're 1285 00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:38,450 always elusive to us and I you know I 1286 00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:40,790 think that is the case and you know my 1287 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:42,470 view on life after death and the 1288 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:45,050 question about ghosts you know I'm not 1289 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:46,430 I'll be the first to me I'm not a 1290 00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:49,070 believer in the rigid heaven and hell 1291 00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:50,900 angle you know that there's this place 1292 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:53,540 where it's all cool and clouds and harps 1293 00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:55,450 and these other places full of fire and 1294 00:52:00,520 --> 00:51:57,260 pitchforks you know I don't believe that 1295 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:00,530 I but what I do think is that there's a 1296 00:52:04,340 --> 00:52:03,290 good chance that some essence survives 1297 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:04,350 bodily 1298 00:52:11,570 --> 00:52:08,850 and it transcends to you know pay one of 1299 00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,580 these multi dimensions or you know it 1300 00:52:16,310 --> 00:52:13,980 can surf all of them because it's not in 1301 00:52:18,980 --> 00:52:16,320 like physical form and maybe you know 1302 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:18,990 they manifest in our dimension from time 1303 00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:21,210 to time and we see them again you know I 1304 00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:24,960 think life after death possibly will be 1305 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:27,540 explainable via you know the science of 1306 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:29,850 something surviving and you know 1307 00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:32,610 accessing other multi dimensions that 1308 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,380 maybe the ancients knew about these 1309 00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:37,920 ain't these multi dimensions and kind of 1310 00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:40,740 put their their spin on them and class 1311 00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:42,150 to them as you know hell or the 1312 00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:43,860 underworld or whatever but it was just 1313 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:46,280 another realm of existence you know yeah 1314 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:48,450 alright so what I mean it's getting to 1315 00:52:52,550 --> 00:52:50,970 be that time and you know simply hearing 1316 00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:52,560 your journalistic approach to this stuff 1317 00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:54,510 is very refreshing to me because I mean 1318 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:56,070 I remember calling anybody a liar but 1319 00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:57,330 like I said in the beginning I've had 1320 00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,130 guests that it seems like their astral 1321 00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:01,440 projected on Sunday Channel and entities 1322 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:04,320 on Monday in under ten and I just think 1323 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:05,490 man let me follow you around with a 1324 00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:08,130 camera for one week you know well you 1325 00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,180 know I think we've got to remain 1326 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:11,520 balanced and you know try not to let 1327 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:13,770 belief overtake us but you know I think 1328 00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:16,410 most people who delve into this like me 1329 00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:17,990 you know you do have occasional weird 1330 00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:20,790 flashes of strange stuff going on but 1331 00:53:24,590 --> 00:53:22,310 you know we've got to try and keep it 1332 00:53:26,330 --> 00:53:24,600 balanced and determine what happened and 1333 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:26,340 not hope it was this or hope it was that 1334 00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:28,170 you know yeah well thanks again Egham 1335 00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:29,700 you've been a real Prince tell people 1336 00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:31,740 how they can get your books and what you 1337 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:34,740 got going on alright people can get my 1338 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:37,050 books from Amazon Barnes and Noble and 1339 00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,930 making contact me at Nick Redfern forty 1340 00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:41,940 and fo our tean 1341 00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:44,910 blog spot.com or just type Nick Redfern 1342 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:48,150 into Facebook I've got another book out 1343 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:49,890 later this year which is called the 1344 00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:51,930 world's weirdest places which is 1345 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:54,750 basically your study of 25 sort of low 1346 00:53:58,610 --> 00:53:57,210 window portal type areas where you know 1347 00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:58,620 they've just been harmonized for a whole 1348 00:54:02,410 --> 00:54:00,300 range of weird activity 1349 00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:02,420 you got the Bermuda Triangle in there 1350 00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:07,470 Bermuda Triangle place in Texas called 1351 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:08,700 the Big Thicket where there's been 1352 00:54:13,610 --> 00:54:10,890 Bigfoot and UFO sightings and ghost 1353 00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:13,620 lights and so in other words it has been 1354 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:17,760 sort of Bigfoot UFOs ghosts all in one 1355 00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:18,450 area 1356 00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:20,339 you know I've sort of focused on those 1357 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:22,230 where it's been a hot spot for you know 1358 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:23,970 just a whole range of weird stuff oh 1359 00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:24,690 nice 1360 00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:26,190 that's like I'm that's awesome I'm 1361 00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:28,140 definitely gonna want to read that book 1362 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:29,460 hopefully you can come back after that 1363 00:54:32,749 --> 00:54:31,170 and we'll talk about it yeah sure I'll 1364 00:54:33,799 --> 00:54:32,759 make sure the publisher I send you a 1365 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:33,809 copy really nice 1366 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:35,970 thanks so much well I mean I appreciate 1367 00:54:43,819 --> 00:54:39,450 it again and uh enjoy your day okay 1368 00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:43,829 thanks Nick there you have it people 1369 00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:46,559 what a great guest get that book I read 1370 00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:48,329 it in two sittings it is [\h__\h] awesome 1371 00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:50,190 you can get my new shirt two 1372 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:51,990 conspiracies Nick check out the 1373 00:54:56,029 --> 00:54:54,569 conspiracies page on Facebook is run by 1374 00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:56,039 my good friend Kyle who keeps it 1375 00:55:03,920 --> 00:54:57,630 constantly updated with great conspiracy 1376 00:55:17,710 --> 00:55:03,930 pictures and here's a sick track [\h__\h] 1377 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:23,599 top one diabetes 1378 00:55:35,609 --> 00:55:30,370 snub lady's gotta wish you'd be now 1379 00:55:35,619 --> 00:55:41,270 like the level in the square 1380 00:55:41,280 --> 00:56:13,800 gotta wish you'd be 1381 00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:19,900 across Julius Caesar he accused me of 1382 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:23,780 being a non-believer planning had 1383 00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:32,930 himself an epic seizure down there House 1384 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:44,150 the Senate rounded the seven-headed 1385 00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:00,250 or watch the Comets trail of blood you 1386 00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:04,190 know it mainly vomits but don't you 1387 00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:10,160 worry man cuz I am on it like white on 1388 00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:27,870 like cruelty on like jesus H Christ 1389 00:57:27,880 --> 00:58:08,200 suspended magic 1390 00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:30,120 the arse